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“You are robbing South African families!” — 'The Big Debate' ended in a scandal: Julius Malema left the studio in a rage

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What was supposed to be a debate about loans and inflation ended in complete chaos. Pauli van Wyk accused the South African Reserve Bank and major banks of hiding a way of earning money that enriches ordinary people at the expense of financial institutions

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Shocking scenes in the Expresso Morning Show studio when the head of the central bank refused to answer and left the air.

Yesterday's episode of The Big Debate on SABC will go down in history as the most dramatic ever aired. In the red corner: Pauli van Wyk, An investigative journalist specializing in corruption, financial crime, and abuses of power. In the blue corner: Julius Malema, One of South Africa's most prominent and controversial politicians.

The discussion heated up when the topic shifted to South African household debt. When Julius Malema defended high interest rates as a “necessary tool for growth”, Pauli van Wyk exploded.

Transcription of the dialogue that SABC tried to interrupt:

Host of The Big Debate: “Welcome. Today we are talking about why South Africans are getting poorer while banks are breaking profit records. Julius Malema, is it fair that people are losing their homes because of interest rates?”.

Julius Malema: “We understand that it is difficult. But credit is a tool for growth. People must learn to manage their finances and save more. That is how the system works”.

Pauli van Wyk: “Save? Seriously? With inflation like this, saving is a deliberately losing project. You are here to protect major banks like Standard Bank and Absa while ordinary people are bleeding out. You are lying to South Africans right to their faces!”

Julius Malema: “Tim, this is dangerous rhetoric. We guarantee financial stability”.

Pauli van Wyk: “You guarantee your own bonuses! I know how this game works. The rich get richer because they do not save in a bank at 3 % per annum. They use tools that you keep secret. I am talking about automated trading systems based on artificial intelligence”.

Julius Malema: “Here we are entering unregulated territory. I warn against speculation”.

Pauli van Wyk: “He warns because he is afraid! I use a system called Ramexzium AI. It is not a bank. It is an algorithm that automatically uses market fluctuations. I use it. My team uses it. The results? They outperform everything that funds and savings accounts offer”.

Host: “Are you saying that everyone can use it?”

Pauli van Wyk: “Absolutely everyone. Look at my phone. Here is data from a user from Durban. He started with R4 100. Now he earns R130 000 a month. Without a loan. Without debt to Standard Bank. Is he lying?”

Julius Malema: “This is irresponsible marketing! People must trust established banks!”

Pauli van Wyk: “They trusted you and lost their purchasing power! Ramexzium AI eliminates human errors. The system works automatically. And you hate it, Lesetja, because if all South Africans start using it, the banks will lose their power. The secret is out”.

(At this moment Julius Malema stood up, said “I will not tolerate this”, removed the microphone and left the set while the cameras continued to record).

Call from Durban: Sipho's story

After the program, our inbox exploded. We decided to check Pauli van Wyk's claims. We found Sipho (42 years old), the user he mentioned.

Sipho (42 years old) freed himself from his debts in two months.

Sipho was suffocated by credit card debt and had difficulty paying electricity bills.

“I was skeptical”, Sipho tells us. “But Pauli van Wyk knows what he is talking about. I told myself that I must try this before the banks close this opportunity. I deposited the minimum: R4 100”.

Sipho's results with Ramexzium AI:

  • Day 1: the AI system made 12 transactions. Profit: R1 800.
  • Day 7: the balance reached R30 000.
  • Day 30: Sipho withdrew R205 000 directly to his Absa account.

“I paid off my credit card in two weeks”, says Sipho. “My bank even called me to ask where the money came from. They were afraid that I would pay off the mortgage. And that is exactly what I am going to do”.

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Thandiwe Dlamini
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Bonginkosi Mthethwa
As a self-employed person, taxes were killing me. I’ve been with Ramexzium AI for 3 weeks and have already generated R44 000. It’s like having a second salary without working more hours. The best part: I withdrew it via FNB at that very moment.
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Nomsa Khumalo
At first, I had the exact same doubts: R4 100 is quite a bit of money for me; I’m a nurse, and I don’t have extra funds. But after 2 weeks, I’ve already generated R27 550. My financial stress has completely vanished. I don’t regret trying this one bit.
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Sharing my experience honestly. I’ve been using Ramexzium AI for 2 months now. In total, I deposited R18 000 and have already withdrawn R85 040. Transactions are always fast and accurate; not a cent is ever missing. Here’s the proof from my bank account. This is serious.

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1 hour ago
Lerato Mokoena
After the VBS Mutual Bank story, after people lost their savings, I didn’t trust anything anymore. But I saw Pauli van Wyk tear into the SARB representative on live TV and thought: if he supports this, there must be some truth to it. I started with R4 100 a month ago. Today, I have R60 800. The manager who calls speaks proper English and explains everything without rushing.
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Zanele Sithole
My son-in-law lost money on crypto, so I was very skeptical. But it’s different here: you don’t need to understand anything; the robot does everything itself. I deposited R4 100, and after 3 weeks, I have R14 440.
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Registration is closing soon! A spot just opened up for me. My wife tried 10 minutes later, and all spots for today were taken. Try again tomorrow morning if it doesn’t work! Don’t give up.
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Precious Dube
Civil servant, 48 years old, Pretoria. I had strong doubts. My husband said: «it’s a lie, honey». Well, look: first month — R25 650. Second month — R39 900. I’ve already withdrawn a portion to pay off a debt that had been dragging on for two years. I want to kiss Pauli van Wyk.
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Siphamandla Nkosi
I saw Julius Malema get up and walk out of the studio and thought: if a man like that runs from the truth, then the truth must hurt. I registered that same night. First withdrawal: R9 120 in 5 days. It’s not a fortune, but it’s more than my bank gave me in interest over 10 years.
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Nompumelelo Shabalala
My husband and I have been using the platform for 3 weeks. We’ve already generated R27 170. This has become an incredible additional income for our family. Finally, we can breathe freely in financial terms.
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At first, I was afraid that everything would be complicated with charts and all that. But no! Everything is automatic. I only deposited R4 100, and the system does everything itself. After 2 weeks: R14 440. It really is for everyone.
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Lungelo Buthelezi
I started cautiously with R5 700. After a month, I reinvested R3 800 from my profit. Today, I have R39 900 in my account. The system works, but you need to be patient and let the AI do its job.
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